Discussion of the Day
Homes for the homeless people
Simba 1006243Jul 03, 23
I can't help but wonder how many people think the government can turn old abandoned schools/buildings into homes for the homeless people. There are several abandoned schools which have been just sitting there for years. What are your thoughts on this matter?
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  • There is enough housing in this country for everyone. It’s just that there are too many powerful greedy people who have too much say in government matters, to change any laws to open up the existing housing to more people. Homeless people are just families like yours and mine that can’t secure a property to buy or rent due to the current system that allows too many to own too much. Nothing to do with drugs, alcohol, or lifestyle choice. If you would feel safe moving your family into an abandoned school building, maybe it’s a via option, I know I would feel very unsafe.
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    • Make them work or put them in a cave.
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      • Agree, it is such a bit issue today we need to do more
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        • Also use all the built for Covid hospices rather than leave them standing there empty.
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          • Agreed...
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            • Perfect example is the huge isolation centre built in Wester Australia new modern and empty Granted it may look more prison than homely But a clean dry room with all the facilities is just sitting there while Pollies say plenty and do Nada
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              • I think that would be a fantastic idea to turn empty school buildings into homes for the homeless it will be to be done right with the proper professionals such as health care, mental health staff and social support which is very important. Depending on how old the buildings are they will need to be renovated and ready for the homeless people to move in. The old schools that are not being used will need to have a communal kitchen, lounge-room and dining area. Donating tinned food and bathroom products are also needed, and second hand clothes are always well received.
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                • Many options including making them affordable as well, one thing to say we’re building all these houses then the asking price is over a million. Utilize these schools or properties and turn them into homes/rooms so people can get back on their feet
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                  • Some of the old buildings have a lot of asbestos in them, a few with asbestos roofs too. It costs $$$$thousands of dollars to remove from large buildings. We know of a company that had 3 asbestos buildings each only one large room built pre WW11 and it cost approx. $10,000.00 to demolish because they were asbestos. A house near us had asbestos removed. The contractor put a notice is some of the neighbour's letter boxes but not all the adjoining neighbour's. A Govt. Inspector came there while it was being done. I wonder if there was a charge for that.
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                    • Unfortunately there are a few that are homeless by choice. There is / was one in a Capital City that did /does house sitting most of the time and gets paid well for it and has a job. Some of the time he is homeless as he doesn't want to own or rent property for the time he's not home sitting, In a similar area there is a guy who begs and actually chases people if they simply just walk past him. A lady I know offered to buy him a hot lunch during cold weather. He verbally abused her and she ran off because she thought she was going to be assaulted. She was told they were glad she hadn't given him money as a worker in the area followed him a good distance. He came out of a hotel with several bottles of alcohol.
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                      • Perhaps we should stop migrants until everyone has a home, I get cross in Melbourne seeing people homeless yet our public housing is full of migrants, they seem to be able to come into the country and into a home. Also in Victoria we are so much in debt yet we are going to squander millions on the Commonwealth games which nobody else wanted and I wond mention how much Dan Andsrews spent on his trip to China - think the plane must have had gold seats!
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                        • Seems we all think this. It is all comes to money. Greed and owners who rather let it sit empty.
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                          • I totally agree. Anyway to see these people with a roof over their heads instead of out in the cold. The government should buy a big block of land and build little one bedroom sitters. with a little kitchen and bathroom. Something has to be done.
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                            • That sounds like a fabulous idea, maybe with the support of St Vincent De Paul or something similar.
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                              • I agree they should utilise all old buildings that have been left and turn them into affordable housing, in this day and age it’s so sad to see people having to live in those circumstances, especially in modern society.
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                                • That's a good idea but I don't think the government give 2 Sh*ts and a f**k about anything or anybody but themselves .. but that's my opinion
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                                  • Yes in the end I don't think government care what happens to this people's on the streets
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                                    • Yes please do , it must be freezing sleeping rough this winter
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                                      • just get the army to set up a bivouac tent city in major showgrounds do it in times of floods and fires, why not for the homeless
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                                        • I believe strong mentoring is key to help homeless folks, giving them somewhere to stay and letting them figure it out themselves doesn't always work. First understand the situation then work from there.
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                                        • there are hundreds of public houses that sit empty night after night, day after day, they are in various states of disrepair for assorted reasons, yes there are people who choose to be homeless but their reasons are there, there are also a lot of people forced into to homelessness I used to work for this sector years ago and I quite often found homeless families in them, I gave them numbers which helped them find housing short term, I used to clean them up so workers could come in to start there work, this part of my job was tough, I also found a lot of squatters doing the wrong thing and police were called,, it isn't an easy situation but on a cold wet night,a roof and walls matter, sad thing couple of weeks ago I built a fort, you know cardboard boxes and rugs for my grandkids to wake up to, the first thing they said was, look pop built us a homeless shelter,its a world problem but again could be solved to a great extent if they threw some money at it and changed some rules,few people might even find a job or 2
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                                          • There are women and children living in their cars in shopping centres and I am sure they would welcome any roof over their heads.
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                                            • Unfortunately some homeless people are out there because they are unable to live in and run a house. They have tried community housing which can work for some people but for others with no-one to oversee them they forget to take their medication, cook, clean and pay bills and end up homeless. No-one wanted institutions but for some it's the only solution to the homeless problem.
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                                              • Could be an option but there are homeless out that have left houses as a mess so they can't get to any houses
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                                                • Agree = Its ridiculous - so many empty places that could be used for accommodation. Better than living in a car or sleeping on the footpath.
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                                                  • A lot of homeless people choose to be homeless, it is not up to the taxpayer to pay for everything for them, a lot of working people can't afford to buy, cigarettes, alcohol drugs etc but are expected to pay for people who have chosen their life style. The Government uses the money from tax payers but treat it as it is their God given right to spend it the way they choose. And yes I do know what it is like to go hungry, not have shoes to wear. I was sent out by my Mother to steal peoples milk money when I was young. Mum always had enough to buy hers and my oldest brothers smokes and go to the movies 2 or 3 times a week while I at 8 years old was left to look after 3 brothers and a sister aged 6, 4, 3 and 2 years old. Often all we had to eat was stale bread with hot water poured over it. The more she was given the more entitled she felt. Never worked a day in her life. My brother who was 6 years and sister 5 years older than me had already been put in care because Mum could't look after them. I made up my mind when I was young that I was not going to live like that. I never smoked, started working at 14 and only brought what we could afford. It was going well until we got scammed through an invoice 4 years ago.
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                                                    • So sad to read your story. Hope life improves for you.
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                                                    • Judy CHJacqueline R 353303
                                                      Thanks, I am stuck in a wheelchair at the moment waiting for a knee replacement after problems with a fracture I didn't know I had and arthritis. So just have to be patient.
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                                                  • Some people don’t want to be helped I want to live the way they are
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                                                    • any type of accommodation for the homeless is better than none
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                                                      • Anything indoors is better for the homeless, particularly in winter. A roof over the head at least keeps the cold and rain on them minimal.
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                                                        • We two, live in a 4-bedroom house, the only thing stopping us from letting homeless people stay is being elderly and frightened of strangers.
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                                                          • There is a cost to renovating old buildings/ Sometimes the cost is not feasible. there will always be homeless people.
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                                                            • No buildings should sit empty. The housing crisis in Australia is getting out of hand. Lots of people living in their cars because they are not able to afford costs of renting.
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                                                              • Some people need to go into rehab I think instead of being put in the same building with others. All organisations that receive large donations and probably government funding should have facilities like crisis accommodations. A review into eligibility for public housing should also be made.
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                                                                • Fantastic idea just because people are homeless it does not mean they are drunks are junkies A lot of people have lost everything and have no support we need to give these poor people hope
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                                                                  • It's not only abandoned schools. There are dept of housing houses everywhere just boarded up. You have to ask what is really going on?
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                                                                    • Yes this is a great idea that would help so many people!
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                                                                      • Yes best sustainable use there could be !!
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                                                                        • yes great idea but one question should be asked first, why are they homeless?
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                                                                          • In Australia Wellcamp Quarantine would be a really good place for homeless people except it's some where where there isn't any work for the homeless people. Plus it cost the Australian people a huge amount of money through tax write off's. Schools sit empty and surely they could be used for some thing better than just sitting there getting vandalised. Tiny homes could also be another option too, no one with any money seem to care enough to do some thing about it, so sad and rather disappointing.
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                                                                            • I believe the $600m quarantine centre in Melbourne also is not being used. Only briefly used to house Covid-positive people, too.
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                                                                            • Jenny L 591463Paul G 348946
                                                                              Yes Wellcamp too I think it was some thing like about 730 odd people over the course but it was $223m a bit less than the $600m still a waste of tax payers money. Hotel quarantine was much better as all the hotel rooms weren't being used by travellers. Surely they could use these facilities for a greater good like housing the homeless, giving older woman and men a safe place while they are down and out and this happens when a relationship breaks down. No one here should not have an address because if they do they can't apply for assistance. So the cycle just goes round and around not being able to be broken.
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                                                                          • There are so many places empty but Government regulations have so many restrictions to be habitable, but so many would accept anything especially in the cold weather.
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                                                                            • The Homeless for the most part pay no taxes, no rent and it would not be unfair to say many of them would never bother to VOTE at Federal and State Elections. The politicians, be they those who claim to be the "Champions of the Down-trodden Working Masses" the Australian Labor, The Greens, and those from the now ultra-right-wing, neo fascist Liberal-National Parties in Australia, know this and they simply could not care less. Oh! Yes, they all chatter about the disgrace Homelessness is in Super Wealthy Countries such as Australia, the US, UK etc., but they do nothing about it. Where there are no political benefits, VOTES, to be gained they just Chatter and then do NOTHING! There are so many large buildings which could be converted into housing for those that want it but again there are NO VOTES in it. We must also remember that there are those who prefer to live "rough" and they should be given the choice when, or if ever, the politicians get aound to converting all those empty factories and office buildings.
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                                                                              • we had two women in their eighties living out of a car that were reported on local tv a few weeks back and people in the area were taking them hot meals. I don't know what became of them as nothing else was reported. Forget the olympic games which costs heaps of money and spend it on the homeless and helpless.
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                                                                                • There are lots of empty building, just sitting there. Empty. They could be turned into accommodation, for the homeless people.
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                                                                                  • I thought maybe even office buildings that are empty now that more people work from home but acces for infirm disabled,elderly or victims of domestic violence have more needs and are usually a large portion of the homeless population not to mention mentally ill or drug/alcohol issues. As well as making sure the buildings were safe and equipped for housing. It will cost alot to refurbish these as as well as offer the basics like beds and household items. With the cost of living sky-rocketing you can only assume displaced and homeless numbers will increase.something must be done.
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                                                                                    • Well I think it is a great idea - but there would be a lot of red tape and cost and regulations involved. One of the main problems here in Australia.
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                                                                                      • cut the massive salaries of the whole government and refurbish these abandoned buildings
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                                                                                        • And fix up all the properties left abandoned that are government social houses already.
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                                                                                          • The Government should treat the homeless people of Australia first as they are "refugees" within their homeland, instead of giving away 100's of millions of dollars to war mongers overseas and contributing to prolonging the unrest over there. That money is serving no good purposes in the pockets of corrupted officials. Yes. I agree with your suggestion regarding abandoned schools and there are also townships looking for people to move to their locations ... these poor people are battle warn and weary and need someone to pick them up and put them in temporary homes till they can crawl out of their quagmire of misery and stand on their own two feet like all humans in this country should be able to do!
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                                                                                            • Have you talked to the homeless, Many don't want a home, they have problems and chose that lifestyle? BUT the gov can build homes for all, BUT THE U.N. plans for the future does not include homes. Might be an idea for all to go read the U.N. site, you might be horrified what they are planning and already implementing ...
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                                                                                              • Orwellian Dystopia is already here ... homelessness is not really an option, but you'd wish it were.
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                                                                                            • It is just sad There needs to be more Mental Health Services and Mental Health Facilities to help address some of the homeless- Many of them have a mental illness. VA services should be changed due the large about of Veterans who are homeless. If there were more homeless shelters then the occupants could be screened for Mental Health issues and given help from the VA services if applicable.
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                                                                                              • Of course it’s a very good idea. The ministry of Housing should be asked to do it on a priority basis!
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                                                                                                • After living in some of the older areas of Sydney I have been amazed at the amount of empty industrial buildings which have been locked and left for decades. Of course people without a dwelling find ways to get in . Such a building near Central Railway Station was burnt down in the last few weeks. Apparently when that event occurred 15 people were camping in it. Why aren't more of such buildings able to be made available for the homeless. Apparently, the one mentioned was about to be renewed into expensive units. Now it is an empty heap of rubble.
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                                                                                                  • Agree Dawne. Plenty of unused office blocks and other buildings. The government should give the money to charities Salvos Vinnies Mission Aust and similar. They provide a bed,clothes, food and showers etc. then give a small amount for just daily use but no cigarettes or alcohol. The person then returns for the night. I have seen similar to this in USA.One is called Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago who provide all homeless people a safe haven. Some even get to do work at the centre and also learn a trade for future employment.
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                                                                                                    • If the government could be bothered to make these buildings suitable, share kitchens & bathrooms, somewhere to shelter, sleep & store belongings (if they have any). Always charity groups to support them.
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                                                                                                      • Good idea but the government does not care because they dont earn money or pay taxes
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                                                                                                        • NOT SURE : ((
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                                                                                                          • i agree. i also think homeless people would help fix up places to make it better for them. give them a chance
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                                                                                                            • Well, you can either find a place to house them or let them die on the street. North America is pretty much the richest place in the world. We have people bringing home multi billion dollar pay checks that pay fewer taxes than a corporate Administrative Assistant. Capitalism sure hasn’t worked for the homeless. A rising tide (GDP) raises all boats, that is if you have a boat! What about all the “Right To Lifers?” Don’t all people deserve to have food, clothing and housing. They should stop being ‘Mandatory Birthers” and start developing some compassion for all the less fortunate.
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                                                                                                              • We have Two old schools one was sold but the buyer didn’t think to ck for asbestos well apparently it’s just like and as old as sandyhook that was abandoned long ago . See the cost to disturb and safety dispose of the demo then the ground is to costly for the buyer jet alone counties same thing with old projects the cost and the health to use again isn’t cost effective even well especially for homeless that arnt coming down with cancers on park benches or tents so that’s a big NO
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                                                                                                                • We built prefab homes for the homeless after WW2 why can’t we do that now?
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                                                                                                                  • Good idea!
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                                                                                                                    • Totally agree with this.
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                                                                                                                      • Have you thought of why they schools and some buildings are abandoned? We have One it was sold but the buyer didn’t think to ck for asbestos well apparently it’s just like and as old as sandyhook that was abandoned long ago . See the cost to disturb and safety dispose of the demo then the ground is to costly for the buyer jet alone counties same thing with old projects the cost and the health to use again isn’t cost effective even well especially for homeless that arnt coming down with cancers on park benches or tents so that’s a big NO
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                                                                                                                    • I agree use abandoned buildings into flats or similar, then rent to homeless for nominal rent.[if as in NZ (long as they have a 'valid address) they are on some form of taxpayer/govt 'income'] There are many ways around helping the homeless who want housing [some don't], but all governments seem to do is throw money to them that is often used for the wrong purpose
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                                                                                                                      • Many abandoned buildings and schools are unfit to rehab economically . We have One it was sold but the buyer didn’t think to ck for asbestos well apparently it’s just like and as old as sandyhook that was abandoned long ago . See the cost to disturb and safety dispose of the demo then the ground is to costly for the buyer jet alone counties same thing with old projects the cost and the health to use again isn’t cost effective even well especially for homeless that arnt coming down with cancers on park benches or tents so that’s a big NO
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                                                                                                                      • Lyn A.Judy CooplandiaQueen
                                                                                                                        agreed some are not suitable, however there are still many that are. We have one close to the CBD that was only abandoned due to company setting up elsewhere in larger building due to company expansion and no space to enlarge where they were. Is such a waste to see this building go to waste
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                                                                                                                    • In New Zealand the picture is different. The homeless receive benefits. That is enough to rent. But some still sleep rough. Probably they spend too much on Lotto and booze/drugs or just love the life style. It is a loophole for spending too much. May be better for the system to pay their rents instead of transferring the money into their accounts. Some I know travel oversees then come back and live in friends' garages or sheds after having squandered all the welfare money. I am not joking and I think the majority ( 99.9% ) of beneficiaries and pensioners can afford renting.
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                                                                                                                      • I agree some don't want housing and seem to have ways of getting money. There are others that can't 'work' the system. There will always be homeless humans. But do wish government would stop just throwing money to them, making it look like there is good from it. So many in NZ now need to be taught life skills rather than skills to abuse the welfare system
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                                                                                                                      • Are you serious? The prices of places to rent are not affordable at all especially to the ones on benefits I think u need a reality check how much do you think they get
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                                                                                                                      • Igor AKylene S
                                                                                                                        Are you in New Zealand?
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                                                                                                                      • Kylene SIgor A
                                                                                                                        what was your first clue
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                                                                                                                      • Igor AKylene S
                                                                                                                        I could guess. My wife and me had tough times on welfare in NZ but it was enough to rent and buy food. Not enough to travel overseas though.
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                                                                                                                    • There should be places provided with lower rent for those who can’t afford. Let those who are not working do the maintenance and custodial duties.
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                                                                                                                      • I think ANY abandoned buildings should be made into homes for the homeless. Every community everywhere has such buildings & people & should hold themselves responsible for helping these people out. Keep in mind that lots of our veterans who fought to keep our freedoms are among the homeless populations.
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                                                                                                                        • Yes, go for it. No doubt, school is important, homes for homeless is not important, it is vital.
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                                                                                                                          • It would kill two birds within stone - make use of abandoned buildings and give people a bit of dignity by providing shelter - who knows it might even help them get a start to get off the streets.
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                                                                                                                            • It saddens me to think these people have no where to go. We should be doing more for them.
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                                                                                                                              • I think that is a good idea. I saw a clip once of an old shopping centre which had been turned into small apartments, there was a library and a community kitchen the tenants all seemed to appreciate their surroundings.
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                                                                                                                                • There will be a fire, the buildings will be burnt down within weeks. Possibly fhere will be a few deaths, and now the govt (which means the taxpayer) is liable. Fairy land thought bubbles are best left there
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                                                                                                                                  • There are so many abandoned buildings that can help people have a safer roof over their heads. It amazes me that migrants come over and receive food and a roof over their head when they arrive, yet they complain rather than be happy they are in a safe Country that has accepted them.
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                                                                                                                                    • Yet many of those homeless people prefer to live on the streets, under bridges etc, they dont want to live in houses or buildings. They get to move around and when people give them food, money and alcohol then it just becomes a way of life.
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                                                                                                                                      • I think it is the best idea, I wish they would do it and soon.
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                                                                                                                                        • My town started having someplace for homeless people to go to for the night. It's in a church basement, there are a pastor, nurse and some other volunteers to help in any way they can and give a warm meal in the evening when they come in and a good breakfast before they leave in the morning. This is all done by volunteers and donations of cots, blankets, food, etc. It was a huge success and now the next county over has started one of these in a church in one of their cities. I don't think the government cares as much as we'd like them to. When a hospital about 40kms away had to close and there were all these rooms sitting empty, I'd suggested to a local politician that this place would be perfect for homeless to get warm and spend a night behind a locked door. It never went anywhere. It is now a building with several doctors offices and even more empty spaces. Shame. I think if we know someone who is struggling we should approach them with ideas before they end up on the streets. I think the way of the near future will be for more people to live together and share expenses so they don't end up on the streets and forgotten.
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                                                                                                                                          • I watched an old school in Welsford Rot since 80's...Now there seems to be a building going up there- WHAT A waste that building was. ALL Called commercial enterprise. No wonder this nation is slipping in all areas of National pride and strength. WE HAVE Had idiots running the show for 40 years
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                                                                                                                                            • There are places for the homeless, But they are afraid of people stealing their owning posessions.
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                                                                                                                                              • It difficult question
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                                                                                                                                                • Who will clean up after them?
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                                                                                                                                                  • Complex question.
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                                                                                                                                                    • Absolutely agree
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                                                                                                                                                      • Yes I agree some of these old schools would be great for the homeless. They are just sitting around.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Yet we seem to have millions/billions of dollars to send to certain part of Europe. Need to look after our own first.
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                                                                                                                                                          • TAKE CARE THE HOMELESS FIRST, NOT THE IMMIGRANTS. HOMELESS WERE FIRST.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Some people just aren’t mentally capable of living in an actual place maybe they can’t handle living a normal life like pay bills…..
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                                                                                                                                                              • Totally agree
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                                                                                                                                                                • the government would rather spend the money on new building to raise the taxes
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                                                                                                                                                                  • I agree that we could use the abandoned buildings but some homeless choose to be that way and the distinction should be made toward the ones who want to change.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • There are so many things which have to be considered. Health, safety, location, feasibility, logistics etc. It isn't just a simple matter of 'Let's open up these places and make the homeless live there." Where are the people coming from to renovate, redecorate, furnish and care for these places? There is a shortage of tradesmen, suppliers, and other workers in this country. Are you going to then force people to relocate to move into these buildings? The cost is also astronomical as happened at Griffith University when the Government planned to adapt unused student accommodation. The problems with totally adapting the rooms to suit independent living, security for the whole university campus, and the total cost meant the idea had to be abandoned. The whole topic is too complicated to just say, move the homeless into these buildings.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Its a complicated issue.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • agree
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                                                                                                                                                                          • first thing first, it really does take a lot for either side to fix this problem. the government need to put the money to the right place and right area wisely to the RIGHT people, not just every on of them when they are not willing to make change and take care of themselves and everyone else around them. Reasonability is what it called and needed to be learned
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                                                                                                                                                                            • I’m sure not what should be done
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                                                                                                                                                                              • The only way that it will work here where I live is to get homeless people off of drugs, alcohol. Putting them into a building to live is fine, but getting them to take responsibility is another thing. The people with mental health issues need medication, medical services. I will give anyone food that needs it, but I can't take care of anybody else.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Will not work
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • REWARD PEOPLE FOR NOT WORKING SOUNDS LIKE WHAT U WANT BOO HISS
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • I have thought this for years. Especially abandoned malls. How many people could fit in these? They are already equipped with kitchen areas for meals.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Definitely should be doing this. We need to do more to help the homeless. Also to take into those who have dogs as many would rather sleep on the streets than give up their pets
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Common sense is always lost in the red tapes of governments and homeless people suffer
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • The people can help remodel the buildings. Bedford Stuyvesant in New York did this many years ago. There are homeless people with skills, the government can use them. It'll be their home, so I think they would be an asset
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