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Having Children - Should Parents to be need a License to raise Children?
kim FJan 31, 21
At the risk of offending all and sundry, these are my thoughts.
We need a license to own a gun. To drive a car. A license is needed to set up a food business. A license is needed to look after other peoples children both in home and out of home. Medics have to be registered and licensed. Teachers have to be registered and licensed.
Licensed to sell alcohol.
Fishing Licenses.
Marriage Licenses
To name a few ...
Where is it okay for anyone regardless of income, logical and practical thinking, no training to have children without being Licensed?
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  • APB
    and who are these wonderful people with "logical and practical thinking" (is that you?) that will take away these basic rights and decide for us?...the Nazis had a go at that one...it didn't work out too well...the Chinese government played around with it too I think
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    • Peter O 653741
      I would say yes. My wife is a teacher of some 30yrs, and the changes she sees in todays kids and their parents is simply put 'crazy'. 5yr old putting her hands on her hips when arrives two minutes and asks "where have you been?" and the mum begins to explain why to the child. Really!!
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      • John R 347206
        yes
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        • Mary M 329762
          More and more i feel they making more licenses up. I hate to say its. I guess next license smiling
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          • Edward S 497347
            At the risk of offending some people....YES some people should be licensed. But in general, 99% of parents should NOT need a license.
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            • mary c
              Just need to use this topic to say what respect i have for the grandparents or other family members that take on the care of children whose parents have been deemed incapable, unsafe or due to drugs or crime are no longer able ( or want) to care for their children.
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              • Naf
                Yes there should be a license. Too many undeserving people have kids who abuse them all their lives. A child a single unit of a society, you screw that child, you screw the society. It sucks that there isn't more awareness of abusive parents and yet these same parents continue to produce like rabbits.
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                • faalili H
                  Do we need license to have sex too. A very stupid question.
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                  • Tim R 439287
                    That's so funny
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                • Jenny D 429636
                  well , no...licensed drivers aren't always the best drivers either ..so , there's my answer..lol...there's good parenting , there's bad parenting , but by who's standards ...? I think for the most part parents do the very best they can , with what sources and information is given to them ...and sometimes , unfortunately , things go to shit for some people ...That's life ...
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                  • Imperia S
                    Another smart idea to complicate parents lives, sorry Kim, but every mother has the knowhow to bring up a child, we do not need any book or smartypus to tell us how to do it
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                    • Naf
                      Speak ONLY about your mother, not every mother. There are abused children who have cut ties with their abusive parents.
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                  • Judy C 96642
                    What’s the test to get a license?
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                    • Lones
                      First born is a learning curve, second and depending on how many children you have. Life is a learning curve for us all no matter our age or the path we are on. Not being judged and having support makes a little easier. All children are precious and they grow and are gone before we realise. Don’t judge, support
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                      • Ivan S 396292
                        Lots of people would fail to get this licence and than population growth would decrease. Funny answer to funny question.
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                        • JANET R 328390
                          No - but I do think that training about marriage and parenthood should be included in the Education department lessons. People should be prepared for both. Must admit I went into both of them blind. Wish I had known more beforehand.
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                          • Arthur
                            I have stated my answer for your argument (I agree 100% with you) in a previous poll, children should not by the byproducts of casual intercourse between people unfit to raise themselves or uneducated enough to know the importance of testing before pregnancy; abstaining from drugs, smoke and alcohol during pregnancy (to ensure the safety of the fetus; not to have a permanent disability from birth) the list goes on but hey we are imperfect beings living in an imperfect existence so it seems everything goes.
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                            • Kristina L 134251
                              Do you need a lesson in biology?
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                              • lulu
                                I thought a marriage license would have covered that.
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                                • michael b 383297
                                  mmmm no
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                                  • PETER M 134659
                                    stupid question
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                                    • Naf
                                      Say that to the abused children of narcissistic parents.
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                                  • Julie 330321
                                    LICENCES TO RAISE CHILDREN, UNSURE ONE VERY IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE TO HAVE A HEART WITH A SPLASH OF COMMONSENSE. THERE does appear to be many requirements to be licensed for so many things but still there is stupidity along with so many persons holding these various licences. WHERE WHERE. WHERE??? Does one find commonsense or even a heart. These are gifts given to you at very early ages in development and like the plants must be cared for and nurtured so by the time children join the equation one would hope these qualities come with the birth, adoption or being given the gift of a child. NO YOU DO NOT REQUIRE A LICENCE JUST COMMONSENSE AND A VERY STRONG HEART
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                                    • Keith L 485431
                                      No kidding??
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                                      • Maree B 85308
                                        Do you have children ? Who sets the standard and are you sure you would be fit to hold a licence if the rules were set by anyone but yourself. Would people be excluded if they did not fit the genetic ideal set out by who ever the governing authority is. I've a sneaky suspicion a lot people commenting here wouldn't exhist if licenced were allready the norm, me included
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                                        • Mary M 329762
                                          That why china has one child to see if ok one. They find out that same can take care of one easy them having more kids don't cared of.
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                                        • Mary M 329762
                                          Because they give this so much money to be unemployed and have more misstake.
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                                        • mary cMary M 329762
                                          China has changed that law now.
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                                      • Sheree T
                                        Not sure about a license perhaps an assessment of the individuals behavioral patterns (parents to be) prior to having children
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                                        • Mary M 329762
                                          Maybe new mum in hospital shouldn't be kick out next day for the bed. They can help them to take care of baby. If you never had a baby never being you real needed help in the began. Teaching kids in school how much real cost and real parenting.
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                                        • mary c
                                          and they have enough money to feed them and not expect schools to do it.
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                                      • Gaza
                                        What a stupid question.
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                                        • Mary M 329762
                                          I agress. Noone tell you do you needed like freach free help for mother first year. But put a law that isn't helpful in the began
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                                        • JANET R 328390
                                          I don't think it is a "stupid question". I think she raises a very valid point - just not sure parents needing a license is the answer.
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                                        • mary cJANET R 328390
                                          its thought provoking.
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                                      • Craig P 469035
                                        AbbA had a song out way back then called - MoneY MoneY MoneY.
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                                        • APB
                                          They cost enough to raise anyway....people would just start selling them on the black market instead...and it would be a licence outside of North America...
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                                          • Mary M 329762
                                            I agree if they say you not a good person have kids what else can they do
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                                        • Leanne B 76015
                                          Yes there are people out there who shouldn’t have kids
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                                          • Mary M 329762
                                            Do as china let have one child and desex so can't have more. So they don't be take away from family
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                                          • GRAEME W 313058Mary M 329762
                                            That is an old policy, not now!!
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                                        • Disie
                                          I've been saying that for years. I'll cop it for this, but that's my opinion
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                                          • Leanne B 76015
                                            I’m on the same page - so let the others bring it on !
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                                          • Mary M 329762
                                            If a good mum i onces know her child was take away. Guess how ring doc up and why they did its. Because i got cancer so i can't see that child so i make government take child away. The poor women loss child over this lady. So my point question its. Will this law easy takes peoples kids for nothings
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                                          • Priscilla R 316016
                                            Along with the licence there should also be a handbook or manual or a 'Raising Children for Dummies' book.
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                                        • Dorothy D 93467
                                          It would be too difficult to police and could create a society I wouldn't like to live in.
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                                          • Mary M 329762
                                            No its wouldn't as the police do/ go in a phone by law without us knowing its. Don't you question its
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                                        • Frank N
                                          Now that's a pretty weird idea!
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                                          • Joe B 288252
                                            Hah! You’re mistaking licence for gst...( govt. snatch take) a lucrative money pot for those in power. What parents need is family support, love and community support whether they are married or not....lol
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                                            • Mary M 329762
                                              Like freach County have once a month you have someone came over help the mum out, japanese you have hospital help you after baby what to do, and others country help the family be better place
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                                          • Aisha A 379399
                                            A license does not guarantee that people will do the right thing. Parents need to be punished severely if they neglect or abuse their children. Doctors or welfare services can refer for mothers to have their tubes tied if they have a history of drug and alcohol abuse.
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                                            • APB
                                              It is the same thing with guns...
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                                            • Mary M 329762
                                              Like the blacktown girl tell teachers my mum step father will killed me didn't do nothing but if a good family they will take the child
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                                          • Lyn 78550
                                            Good topic kim. Licence No. We have enough of those. We do need to have more classes, especially in the teenage years, as to how to parent well. I feel if you are fortunate enough to grow up with good parents then you naturally copy their example however this is not happening due to the fact that it is a viscous cycle that repeats itself with every generation. It is very hard to break but can be done if given the right tools that are supplied by the schools and Social Services as their parents would not be doing this. We learn when we have a child to just do what is best at the time and sincerely hope that it will turn out well. Above all just love your children and praise them is my advice to the young mothers.
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                                            • Paul J 94868
                                              Good grief...
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                                              • Michele W 394946
                                                Not touching this one with a ten foot pole!
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                                                • Disie
                                                  LOL I thought the same, but then put a caveat on mine ;)
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                                                • mary cDisie
                                                  people on P and other drugs shouldn't be raising children..have to say it.
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                                              • Joy, NZ
                                                No way but I think that children who are neglected and abused should be removed and rehomed with other family if possible or alternatively placed into foster care. All children deserve to be loved and nurtured and kept safe. Having a lot of money and a flash home, does not automatically make you a good parent. A good parent is one who loves their child and does the best with what they have. I also strongly believe , that welfare payments should only be paid for up to 2 children. The world is over-populated as it is. No family should be getting bonuses for having more kids than they can afford to have. These days, it costs a fortune to bring up a child. Selfish parents who breed like rabbits, should not expect the tax payer to subsidise more than the first two.
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                                                • graeme m 189162
                                                  totally agree. quick question, in your school days did you go to dhs
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                                                • Joy, NZgraeme m 189162
                                                  Hi Graeme. I do not know what dhs is. I went to BHS in CHCH.
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                                              • Morton B
                                                There is no risk of Not causing offence, Who is this "all & sundry" you speak of? I assume you mean anyone but yourself. Why have you not disclosed your parental status, do you have kids?. You are entitled to your opinion but remember opinions are like arseholes , everyone has one and doesn't mean they are right. Maybe we should have a licences before spouting forth in public, required to undergo the appropriate training (indoctrination) to be an approved citizen. Have a look at Communist China
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                                                • Sonya F 68771
                                                  No i dont think so we all learn from experience and bringing up children you learn as you go
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                                                  • Rose S 88496
                                                    Gosh I’m wondering if your parents had a license to have you
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                                                    • Beverley S 383001
                                                      Easy answer to that one - a great big YES!
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                                                      • Judy CH
                                                        They should have to be licensed to have Children and have to prove that they can house, feed and clothe them without the taxpayer having to pay for them. My Niece is a druggie, has four Children 3 of whom my Sister is paid $800 a week to look after and to be honest after having 3 of her own doesn't know much about bringing up kids. My Niece is housed in emergency housing costing the Taxpayer $1200 a week, behind a hotel so she can go and spend all day there! I came from a family of 10 and we were always told what a rotten B our Father was because he wasn't there most of the time, I realised as I got older that it was Mum that was the problem and 8 of us ended up in care. I was left to look after the younger ones when Mum and my half Brother went to the Movies most nights, we couldn't afford much food but the movies and smoking seemed to be the top priority. Often all we got for dinner was stale bread with hot water poured over it, if we were really lucky we got a bit of sugar on it. It isn't a persons God giv
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                                                        • Lyn 78550
                                                          What a truly horrible story Judy. With regards to your mum and dad sometimes as a child we tend to believe what parents say about each other, as in your case, very damaging indeed. I do hope that all goes well with you now as is is not with a lot of members of your family. Perhaps, just perhaps, the way you were raised was as a direct result as to the way your parents were and so the cycle goes. Take care.
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                                                        • Judy CHLyn 78550
                                                          I broke the cycle young, despite peer pressure I never smoked, only drink in moderation and brought our daughter up so that she didn't have to fear things that we did. She has been married for 29 nine years, never had Children because of medical conditions she didn't want to pass down but has a bit of land and looks after a lot of Animals. I am still learning things out re my parents even though Dad died when I was 15 and Mum when I was 29.
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                                                        • Lyn 78550Judy CH
                                                          Oh Judy a happy story for which I thank you. Well done to you for breaking the cycle. This is so hard and shows you what sort of person you are. Congratulations on your daughter and you would have had to have been a wonderful mother to have such a daughter. It is amazing what parents put into children's heads about their partners I agree. Thanks for responding and take care.
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                                                      • Rifat H
                                                        I think the Wedding Certificate should be enough to indicate that the two persons Wedded - are now committed to each other and committed to raising their children (should they decide to have kids) as best as they can, according to their abilities as parents.
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                                                        • BLACK LIVES MATTER
                                                          should parents to be - need a license to raise children - YES - ask any kid(s) that has to deal with (mental cruelty - negligence - verbal abuse inflicted on them by their parents) - (sex abuse inflicted on them by their parents) - (physical abuse inflicted on them by their parents) - I GOT LUCKY - I am a survivor of physical abuse and (mental cruelty - negligence - verbal abuse) by my parents - surviving on the streets for four years as teen-ager - after becoming a teen-ager runaway - was a piece of cake - since returning home (as a teen-ager) was not a reasonable option - have not seen my parents in over 56 years and counting - BOTTOM LINE: BECAUSE TWO IDIOTS CAN BECOME A PARENT DOES NOT AUTOMATIC TRANSLATE INTO A FACT THEY WILL BECOME PARENTS !!! P.S. Society should have never ALLOWED my parents to become parents - UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!!!!
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                                                          • Lyn 78550
                                                            I do see where you are coming from Walter however in your case you have come out of it as a survivor. I cannot imagine what life was like for you. Take care.
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                                                          • Naf
                                                            Suffered verbal abuse for decades and only recently figured out their narc like tendencies. I never asked to be born just so they can make me suffer. To hell with it! Still trying to heal.
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                                                        • Bugalugs
                                                          First they should need to get a licence to even start having children - if only to see if they are prepared to do the right thing by those children and that means being interested in seeing to it that they are kept fed, clothed, go to school. Today the idea of having a licence to actually bring those children up is almost irrelevant because so many parents hand their children over to strangers to rear and do so from a very young age, they expect the schools to provide meals - indeed one group from a university - presumably intelligent but showing a complete lack of it - has decided that schools should provide Breakfast and Lunch for all the students! Just how that would work in today's Multicultural, Pluralist society with all the different religious, cultural and dietary requirements I don't know. Socialist "Cradle-to-the-Grave" nonsense by these self-styled academics! If people want to have children then they have to be prepared to rear them themselves and they should be limited to Two children per couple
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                                                          • Chris A 117384
                                                            I'll go one further some people shouldn't be allowed to have children
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                                                            • Catalina
                                                              Yes, lots of licences. Perhaps too much nowadays. Certain skills can be taught and learned if desired. Being a parent - not a skill. It’s a life time process, or rather life itself.
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                                                              • Joy L 68767
                                                                so classes would be great, but how do you make people go to them. there would be an underground like with guns and drugs if you were to make it illegal to have children without a licence
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                                                                • Margaret C 77490
                                                                  No licese but yes some courses would definitely help on how to look after a baby and children .I think if someone is on drugs than they shouldn't have children, alcoholic,history of violence a criminal history check and violence check wouldn't hurt either
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                                                                  • roger l 315504
                                                                    don't know about a license to CONCEIVE children, but there ought to be an extensive training program AND a requireincome level before being allowed to start practising
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                                                                    • Dhirajlal P
                                                                      This is natural . God gives birth and death Children are not an item That we purchase from open market Like Gun, Car etc Baby care is already inspired in mothers .
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                                                                      • Lyn 78550
                                                                        I agree with this but not the part of baby care is already inspired in mothers D. Some parents have no idea as to how to raise a child as they themselves were not raised right.
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                                                                      • Naf
                                                                        Some mothers abuse their children too, so no, baby care is NOT inspired in mothers.
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                                                                    • Sally S 71235
                                                                      I think some parents do!
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                                                                      • Maria B 89860
                                                                        There are fishing licences and yet the sperm still swim where they want!
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                                                                        • Elizabeth T 396096
                                                                          No as screening people to make sure they are "fit" is fraught with problems. How often have decent people waited to adopt or foster a child and yet you hear stories of unfit people raising them? No person or authority has the right to decide whether a person who can medically have children should be able to. There also is no one correct way or good guide to raising kids so what exactly are they going to base a licensed test on?
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                                                                          • Lachelle B
                                                                            No! Each child is different so parenting will differ accordingly. Common sense should prevail. What next? A licence to breathe to make sure you aren't exceeding your daily quota???
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                                                                            • Lyn 78550
                                                                              Well do not take my air please as I need it. I can just imagine it. Big Brother at it's worse. lol.
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                                                                          • Mary M 329762
                                                                            Will if by law you can say no to a child but the fax is the child has more rights them a parents. My friend children's was teaching at school if mum and dad are bad to you tell me. So if the child fell down bruise the teacher question the parents like did that to they child. And also the child was take aways by docs. The fax is the law on child side not on parents.
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                                                                            • Robin L 79437
                                                                              There are too many rules now, enough is enough.
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                                                                              • Chosen
                                                                                Would you first have to pass a learners test ??
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                                                                                • Lyn 78550
                                                                                  Like when you get your driver's licence? Well that would be a hoot I dare say for a lot of the people out there. Judging by some drivers they took a lot of lessons. lol
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                                                                              • Claude H
                                                                                We have so many regulations now so why not another stupid regulation. It will not be long before I have to get permission to breathe.
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                                                                                • Lyn 78550
                                                                                  I know Claude. Now promise me if this comes in to share. lol.
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                                                                              • Sally M 173272
                                                                                If they have a background history of violence and criminal history or are associated with anyone else in that field like those associated with bikie gangs, then yes, but there's no way I'd give them a license.
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                                                                                • James B 70778
                                                                                  No
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                                                                                  • Irene M 350114
                                                                                    There are certain requirements required for foster parenting. Maybe these should be necessary for all parents to prevent abuse.
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                                                                                    • Lyn 78550
                                                                                      What you say is true however you do hear of plenty of foster parents that abuse children just for the money they are getting in having them.
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                                                                                    • Mary M 329762Lyn 78550
                                                                                      i know one she like the kids but let gets bullets at school or a friend of friends 2 kids diead in foster cared. If this mothers was so bad and was take away why did her kids were killed in foster care. We see media say good nevers say bad as this foster peoples are pay by government book. Tell a person in foster cared theyself you don't know what real happen.
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                                                                                    • Lyn 78550Mary M 329762
                                                                                      Well said and so true Mary M. It happens all the time and indeed all one has to do is look at the news. Take care.
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                                                                                    • Mary M 329762
                                                                                      Like one ladies her kids wear cameing home not clearly no showing and not eating well and she cry to her mother i knows. Her daughter wasn't fit to a mother all mothers things did. I know the grandmother so well. As doc take for nothings so ring up bullets the mother gives up
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                                                                                  • Robert nsw
                                                                                    no you just have love and time to spend with children when you are raising them you learn as you are going through life its not something you can learn in a class room
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                                                                                    • Grommie
                                                                                      if it's thought that they need a licence (not license, that's the verb in my country) then they shouldn't have children at all
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                                                                                      • lordofthekitchen
                                                                                        Are you out of your mind, let governments run another part of our lives, why do we need licences at all, just get on with it, Licences just mean more useless people writing worthless peices of paper, grabing money for things that are not needed, Licences, the only people to make the cash are the lawyers, oh look someone missed a full stop on that licence, quick lets grab some cash.
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                                                                                        • Catalina
                                                                                          Well said!
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                                                                                      • Jillian S
                                                                                        No, just a responsible, loving caring parent
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                                                                                        • Maree S 72078
                                                                                          a good idea
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                                                                                          • LEANNE B 221779
                                                                                            Hell yes!!
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                                                                                            • David L 76026
                                                                                              Maybe better to add support services to guide and provide respite services for parents.
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                                                                                              • Debra F 499651
                                                                                                It sure wouldn't hurt! About 25 yrs. of classes should about do it!
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                                                                                                • Lyn 78550
                                                                                                  I did laugh with this one and I am sorry if it offended. 25 years should definitely do it I feel.
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                                                                                              • Shirley H 391879
                                                                                                Absolutely! I think that all of the problems we have are as a result of bad parenting. We don’t get a how to manual when we have children and more often than not our parents were really ignorant of ways to raise children so our role models were lacking. So I think despite those naysayers, before embarking on parenthood all couple should be required to attend classes to a level of competency
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