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MILK MADNESS...a marketing battleground!
APBAug 27, 22
We started out with silver tops and gold tops (gold tops had twice the cream which tasted better) through modified, low fat and skimmed (because the fat was bad for you)...to highly manufactured fake milk made from just about anything that doesn't involve cows...at a higher cost (because cows are bad you)...and now we have A2 milk...because normal milk has two proteins...A1 and A2...A2 milk might be easier for people who have grown up in societies that have never eaten any dairy products to digest...some Asian countries basically...and offers no advantage to anyone else...but is sold as "better" milk at twice the price (A2 is better for you?)...the milk shelf in a supermarket is now half an aisle long...what do you think? Are we being conned?
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  • Can't drink milk unless it has additions like Baileys or Hot choc- or both. Now cream ahhh yes ma prechous..with cornflakes, ricies, porridge, honey puffs, nommy nom nom. Why doth my belleh acheth after tho?
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    • there are probably lots of nasties in milk...best to mix it one third Vodka and two parts milk to avoid any problems....especially on your cornflakes
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    • ah merci Docteur!
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    • APBmary c
      De rien ..it will also make breakfast a lot more fun...
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    • you ever tried milk stout? sounds not pleasant.
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    • APBmary c
      Creamy dark beer with a light taste...favoured by little old ladies in the north of England in the early 1960s...there are lots of new ones now...I'd drink one for a change? ...I wouldn't recommend pouring it over your cornflakes...its a bit sweet....
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    • ah but i love sweet..have tried a few beer bread recipes but they weren't amazing
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    • Ahhh.. yes.. Galliano and full cream milk, with a big dollop of double cream and a couple of ice cubes before bed on a hot summer’s night.. Bet you can’t drink just one…
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    • mary cPato Lo Duck
      be still my heart..sounds delicioso!
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  • That is really in depth and maybe way beyond my comprehension. As long as I have light blue milk for my cereal, then I am happy.
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    • I think blue milk, either light or heavy would put me off my cereal regardless of my comprehension…
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  • This should be a poll, not a discussion, look at people's answers. I'm trying, but you can call a cow a goat and it's still produces nasty milk that has to be homogenized......just saying.
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    • Thanks gg...someone else called gg seemed to be very enthusiastic in joining in this discussion...see below...but maybe there are two of you...it gets tricky when people keep changing their names...doesn't it......all the best.... really nice picture by the way...good choice!
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  • Yes.
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    • I usually buy 1 or 2% milk
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      • Of course it's a con. There are far too many choices and the milk we buy is quite often sold out and we have to buy milk we don't really like. For years we had our milk delivered but as houses sold the new residents preferred to buy from the supermarket so the milko stopped coming and we had to find a new brand of milk. During our trial period we found some of these so called "good for you" milks simply don't keep, and Shape was the worst. We eventually found one we like and we are sticking to it whatever new brands come along.
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        • of course, most advertising is about selling a need or a want rather than actually promoting any product or service.
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          • or creating a need or want that doesn't exist perhaps?
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          • so true, mate, so true
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        • Before the bottles there was the loose milk in a big can, my mum gave me our milk can to go to the corner shop, from the big milk can the woman filled with fresh milk my can with a big ladle. It was just called: MILK.
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          • I actually had that once when I was young....great stuff
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          • We used to get milk in a billy but then bottles came along and we had to bring it in before the birds got to it. Who would have thought birds drank milk? We even got a bottle of milk each day at school. It was pretty terrible in Summer after being out since 9 but we were pressured to drink it.
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        • ??
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          • Thanks for the input!
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        • Yes
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          • I buy full cream milk in glass bottles that are returned to the dairy for reuse. Dollop of cream on the top. I’m in suburbia and quite a few dairies have many stockists.
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            • Sounds Great!
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            • Delicious
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          • I originally went to "dairy country " to live because of the fact that my daughter became extremely ill on "Nestle Baby Formula" and any sort of cow's milk. We raised her on goat's milk and had no further problems. Goat's milk has smaller fat globules which was causing the trouble apparently. By the age of 3 she could drink cow's milk or goat's milk without problems.
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            • All MARKETING SPIN and nothing else though the synthetic milks are so highly processed and contain so little of what they say they are that they are probably worse for you than walking into the reactor of a Nuclear Power Station and staying there till you die.
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              • Cows milk is for calves not humans. The dairy industry is one of the cruelest animal industries. For a cow to produce milk it has to be forcibly impregnated, give birth, have her baby calf taken from her all for a carton of milk for humans. Disgraceful. What happens to the calves. They are fed a powdered supplement that is if they are females. If they are male they are either stuck in a shed for veal, or slaughtered. When the cow is spent after being exploited for x amount of years she is then sent off to be slaughtered. How dare we. Conned is not the word I would use. We have a choice as to whether we support such a cruel industry or make a better choice and go plant based milk.
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                • There is a big difference between A2 milk and other dairy milk. A2 milk does not contain the same protein that causes a lot of health issues. Cassien - not sure of spelling. People are extemely lucky if they have never experienced these issues. A2 milk for a start is much less likely to cause allergies. Ordinary milk can also cause neurological problems to be worse. I do agree about how long the milk aisle is in most shops. Crazy. I will never forget the phone call from my brother when I eventually persuaded him to cut milk out of his diet - he had really bad asthma (according) to his Doctor. Once he stopped drinking milk - Asthma gone!!!! No more medication.
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                  • bring back bottle milk reduce the plastic overload taste better in glass
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                    • Depending where you are Jennifer you may be able to find a stockist. I get bottled milk and return the glass bottles.
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                  • I gave up on milk years ago, it caused too many health issues. Only drink soy milk now with nothing to worry about.
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                    • I just noticed yesterday that in Aldi soy milk is cheaper than ordinary milk...$1.08 a litre...thats really cheap
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                  • I will still drink the same milk that I was raised on; full cream milk. Disappointed that you cannot buy it in a glass bottle with the cream on top, sealed with foil top.
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                    • Yeah I miss that too
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                    • Need a bit more definition on latest pic. Your original photo was a beauty!
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                    • You can buy it in glass bottles with the cream on top.
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                    • APBPat C 618241
                      I just had a haircut!
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                    • Wow. In the dark with the light off??
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                    • APBPat C 618241
                      Isn't that how everyone does it?
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                  • Definately being conned. Personally I buy full cream milk as I dont have any health concerns and prefer the taste of full cream.
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                    • I like my low fat milk. I will drink full cream because it's yummy. all the others can be used by those that need" them. as a child I would drink the cream off the top of the bottle
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                      • I grew up on a farm and the only milk we had was good old fashion cows milk and we put it thru a machine which was turned by hand to separate the cream and yep it taste like cream
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                        • I buy proper milk from a proper dairy that still has cream on the top for 5 bucks for 2litres, it's a farm on Wellington Road, near Jells Park in Wheelers Hill Vic. as water milk as sold by supermarkets is nearly 4 bucks anyway, we are all being con so are dairy farmers who get paid little for their milk but sellers make huge profits at their and our loss.
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                          • I would hate to work in a cafe, seriously the other so called milk isn't milk. Imagine how many types of milk you would need just in case some one asked for it. We drink UHT milk only because when we were travelling around Australia it was too hard to get fresh milk and then used it before it went off. Each to their own on this one and I know which we prefer.
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                            • We now have so-called "Milk" which is either Soy, Almond, Cashew, Peanut, Oat withnew varieties being added daily. They all claim to be better than REAL MILK - Milk from Cows, Sheep, Goats, Camels BUT check out the List of Ingredients in ALL those Fake "Milks! Most of the content is just Water with 3%, 4%, 5% or 7% Soy, Almond, Cashew, peanut, Oat - the rest is all ADDED Chemicals - Vitamins created in Laboratories which, it is claimed, they are "Nature Identical"! A bit like those so-called "Nature Identical" Flavourings, Colours and, Yes, their Chemical Formula is identical to the Real thing but they are made up using multiple chemicals to create those Flavours, Colours. The Truth is we don't really KNOW for certain what happens to those chemicals when they get all mixed up in our tummies. A Major International Company released a "Breath Freshener" some years ago loudly proclaiming that it contained "Copper Chlorophyll", they tasted great, they became addictive - in our shop we had people buying 3 and 4 packs per DAY. Problem? Copper Chlorophyll is what is called a "Heavy Metal" - the body is incapable of eliminating it so it simply accumulates in ever increasing amounts in your body. It is also Highly Carcinogenic.. If you were one of those who became addicted to these Extraordinarily Dangerous "Breath Fresheners" and you develop any form of Cancer then you will probably have a case against the makers. It is beyond time that the word "Milk" was only allowed to be used in Real Milk from Cows and other Living Animals.
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                              • I just heard that most of the milk alternatives are severely lacking in many ingredients..like selenium...the only exception being PEA MILK...which has higher levels than milk...I've never even seen Pea Milk...anyone else?
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                                • I don't drink cows milk( I'm lactose intolerant) but I do have it in my coffee because anything else tastes revolting lol and I can tolerate that.In our household we just buy blue top milk,tried green top and it was too watery and bland.Never tried A2 milk and not likely to based on the fact it is over priced like most dairy products so we just stick to the cheapest brand of milk possible because they all taste the same in your coffee lol.
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                                  • I prefer the extra cream of a Jersey or a Guernsey
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                                    • I like to wear a Jersey or a Guernsey...
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                                  • The reason that we have so many different kinds of milk is that there are people who either want or need them. Before we were able to refrigerate milk and therefore extend its useful life most milk from cows was used to make either cheese or butter. Any milk that was drunk was made from either almods or hazlenuts and probably oats. They are easy to make.Some of us are lactose intolerant, others are vegan and do not want to use anything from an animal. Despite the plethora of choice in milk there are very few of them that I am able to consume because of restrictions to my diet. No, we are not being conned.
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                                    • Just light milk for us
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                                      • I always buy full cream, can't stand the taste of light milk
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                                        • I don’t like or drink milk so I don’t care. My husband was born on a farm and loves milk. He would prefer straight from the cow. The thought makes me ill.
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                                          • I still take milk.regardless. I have tried plant milk, good taste. They need to come up with some other solution to curve the cow pee,
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                                            • Just buy full cream milk.
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                                              • We buy the good old full cream milk and yes we are being conned or some people are!
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                                                • I buy the non-homogenized milk and absolutely love it. It has made no difference to my health and makes my coffee takes yummy
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                                                  • I have tried different milks but have always gone back to the full cream milk I grew up on milk straight from the cow which is the best.
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                                                    • YES
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                                                      • I thought we had clever cows who could make all sorts of milk Yes I’ve been conned
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                                                        • A2 milk predates A1 by about 7000 years. It has the same proteins but is more easily broken down. A1 exists because of a mutation that occurred in dairy cattle about 7000 years ago. Some people who have a definciency of the FPP enzyme are unable to break down the beta casein in A1 milk leaving a molecule that is similar in shape and size to opioids and has a similar effect to them. All milk from sheep and goats is A2.
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                                                          • Thanks Don...that it interesting!
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                                                        • I buy full cream milk. All the fake milks made from, nuts, oats, rice etc are usually about 95% water, with all kinds of additives!
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                                                          • No they are not they are made from plant sources and have added healthy nutrients mostly.
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                                                        • It's making people a certain milk is so as to sell mor . As a dairy farmer I would is milk is milk the les processed the better the fat content is good for you .it's the process of harmoginiseation which breaks down all the different types of fat milk which is bad .as it allows the body to absorb all the fats good and bad. As for other types of so called milk if it doent come from an animal it should be called milk at all it just a marketing tool
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                                                          • Its called homogenisation because it spreads the cream throughout the milk.
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                                                        • I don't think we are being conned. It is simply down to our choice.
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                                                          • yes, i too feel it is all a gimmick. I feel real milk is the only good healthy milk around.
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                                                            • Not for everyone
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                                                          • So pleased to see many plant alternatives are removing the word 'milk' Personally I mostly drink raw [unpasturised (sp?)] cows milk. But if out I will have what ever they have, but not into the artificial alternatives that I think may actually be worse for the environment long term
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                                                            • Hello Lyn, I used to live in an area where raw milk was available at the Food CoOp and the seafood shop too, but where I am now in farming country there's nothing like that. But even when I could access milk, raw I mean, it would still come with a caution warning NOT to drink it but bathe in it instead as it was good for the skin. I am therefore curious as to whether you have ever because unwell through drinking unpasteurised milk,? It's hideously expensive in comparison to the " normal" cows milk but is it actually better for you, an example being that it's great for your gut microbiome? The 2 reasons why I DIDN'T buy the raw milk was price firstly and 2ndly I lived with other family members and I worried that they wouldn't drink it and that I wouldn't get through it before it went sour, so what say you?
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                                                            • Mike W 940548Michelle S 553303
                                                              yes raw milk is much healthier here where I live more farms are selling whole raw milk sales are booming a lot of people in who buy it say they feel healthier as it's raw milk they are very heavily tested by maf
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                                                            • Michelle S 553303Mike W 940548
                                                              I find that reassuring and very interesting and I think that the next time I see raw milk for sale, now that I live on my own, I will buy it! Thanks for the valuable input!
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                                                            • Lyn A.Michelle S 553303
                                                              I am of farming upbringing and have had raw milk from the day I was no longer breast fed. There are so many rules and tests now that have to be done by those that sell raw milk, very little chance of having any issues. I have never had health issues from raw milk. As it is not pasteurised it still has the good bugs in it. Where I buy it costs $3.50 per L store bought is $5.80 per 3 L so only a little pricier. I have to buy store milk for partner as he doesn't like raw in his coffee :)Because I have to travel to get raw milk I get 7 L at a time and freeze it. Hoping that freezing doesn't remove too many good bugs :) Different cows will give different flavour and fat content. Personally I prefer Jersey milk, but have to take a mix of Jersey, Friesian, Hereford and maybe some others added in.
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                                                          • Making a simple concept complicated. Choose what you want and taste best to you and provides the nutrients you want. It's a business, so everyone is going to put variables out to win the revenue game. I love the almond and oat milk that's been shelved. Great taste and less fat. Derived from natural sources. To each his own.
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                                                            • I drink soy milk daily because I can't tolerate cows milk.Tried rice but found it too sweet and unfortunately can not have oat milk due to being coeliac but thinking almond might be an ok one to try instead of the soy.
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                                                            • Luv urKatzeye
                                                              I haven't tried rice, but I should, soy too. I might discover another love.
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                                                          • I grew up drinking whole mild and so did my kids! Then they day came when I could no longer drink cow's milk and now drink almond milk, sometimes cashes milk and love it!
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                                                            • I like cow's milk ,also soya milk .I stopped using soya milk because I read that soya milk is not good for older people, not sure if that true .I buy the light blue top and the dark blue top depends on my mood lol .I put milk into my coffee ,tea and cereal .I sometimes make a smoothie yummy.
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                                                              • I do not drink milk but with so many milk on the isle I think which one is the best I like almond milk which does not have milk in it at all
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                                                                • I don't drink milk at all. But if there is a market out there that seem to want it, they will make it. At least they have a choice.
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                                                                  • I like white milk.
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                                                                    • I’m lactose intolerant, so it limits me to what I can drink.
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                                                                      • Yes we are being conned.
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                                                                        • Yes definitely!
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                                                                          • I prefer it shaken, not stirred…
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                                                                            • I just like plain full cream cows milk
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                                                                              • Wish they would go back to glass bottles. Milk doesn't taste the same out of a plastic bottle and you can reuse glass bottles
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                                                                                • So true, and the Milkman come each day and take away the empty bottles where you know they will be reused for the same purpose. Remember the old days when we only had one dustbin and even that didn't get full each week .... we were recyclers just by common sense, was much easier before all this artificial, pretend stuff got dumped on us. Now people "are so clever" and being given brownie points for creating all sorts of bins to put recycling in which should not have been allowed to happen in the first place!!!???
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                                                                              • None of it is suitable for me.
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                                                                                • Low fat milk is just ridiculous. Full cream milk is only 4% fat which makes it 96% fat free. How many diet foods can claim this?
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                                                                                  • As long as it is full cream and not plant based, I will have it :)
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                                                                                    • Milk is a food for baby animals - not humans or cats.
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                                                                                      • I totall agree with David J below. The "know it alls of nothing" should stop messing with our food chain. Leave well enough alone and let food taste like food that sustains and nourishes without added hormones and goodness knows what other crap they add for "our good". My Triple AAA Rating goes straight to the Cows or even Goats that produce the white liquid like nature intended, the same for Mother's Milk, if a child cries 'cos they're hungry, just out with it and plug that hole before the men/women in white coats contaminate it with their droplets of this, that and the other!!!
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                                                                                        • it is just simple marketing and profiting gimmick, just use your own insights, knowledge and wisdom
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                                                                                          • I just drink coconut milk for my smoothies, and regular whole milk for my cereal and coffee. Nothing fancy here!
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                                                                                            • I don't drink milk.
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                                                                                              • What's faster bread or milk? milk, because in a blink of an eye, its pastyoureyes [pasteurize] that was sad, this is worse, where does condensed milk come from,? dwarf cows,, and they get worse, the other day I bought a can of evaporated milk and was disappointed when I opened it because there was nothing in it
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                                                                                                • Thanks Robert for milking the discussion today.....
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                                                                                              • I am not familiar with this.
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                                                                                                • anything fot the stores to make money, In the long run people do not know what its doing to their diet. What happened to getting a cow and milking it for real milk.
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                                                                                                  • Something in is sometimes not accurate at all times ,and paying top of our dearest dollar
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                                                                                                    • Don’t drink much milk.
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                                                                                                      • I really don’t see the big issues
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                                                                                                        • there are no teats on almonds, cashews, etc, no teats, no milk, i like milk that comes from animals and the more cream content the better, i don't care if those other things they call milk will let me live an extra few years, those years will suck anyway ;-))
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                                                                                                          • It's great to have options! but cows milk is The Best!!
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                                                                                                            • Is an absolute con job (marketing in other words).
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                                                                                                              • Agree, it’s all a money making exercise.
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                                                                                                                • I love all the non-dairy milk like cashew milk. There is something I can drink these days. I was born with a milk protein allergy to all milk proteins and never out grew it. Love that I can have a smoothie and not have to avoid it because it has milk that makes me sick in it.
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                                                                                                                  • A2 Milk tried it was too crazy about it. Sorry
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                                                                                                                    • I am lactose Intolerant - lactose is in (real aka cow) milk - which will cramp the f.... out of me. I drink (plant) milk which does contain lactose and does not cramp the f....out of me!
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                                                                                                                      • I drink lactose free my daughter is lactose intolerant but I raised her on milk straight from the cow didn’t seem to bother her but formula wasn’t good for her ! She gets bad stomach aches from cheese and ice cream ! I can’t drink milk shakes makes me sick ! It’s just as easy to drink lactose free
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                                                                                                                      • it's good that there are alternatives for folks like you Walter,,,
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                                                                                                                    • Anything to make money.
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                                                                                                                      • I think that anyone promoting non-dairy stuff as milk should be sued. Milk is cow stuff. Fake milk is FAKE!
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                                                                                                                        • Not for those of us who can't have REAL milk it's good to know we have other options which won't make us sick.
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                                                                                                                      • YEP. All these people are so gullible not just with the variety of milk or so called milk (i.e. plant milk) but will all sorts of so called food that is better for you and is not good for you but which man evolved eating. An acre of land will produce a lot of green food whereas it will not keep a cow. Marketing therefore is all about eating the green food and telling us meat is bad for us or for the planet. Solution for the methane that most animals let loose is simply a small amount of sea weed which can be grown easily. There are other cheap solutions also. Why are these not used - because an acre of land is worth more with green growing on it and being harvested every few months or even weeks.
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