It is so good to go here when it is raining

This is frightening and a very good reason to not use them it would seem

Where was this?

APB a very good question and a worry

Of course it has to be fixed .Not a problem for me I take a bus or train to the city & return & if I feel like it & have a few parcels I grab a cab home

and that is why I refuse to park in a high rise parking lot, I always worried how safe it would be .

You can park you car here if you want to, in the winter it might sink into the mud a bit and also another problem is the goats love to eat cars, but they are not keen on eating the batteries.

Let’s hope no car parking places are built by the shonks that are building all the high rise buildings and now condemned as faulty work

This is just another problem created by EV's. The Australian government wants all Australians to own an EV but the truth is that there wouldn't be enough electricity in the grid to enable everyone to charge an EV. They use an enormous amount of power and in a recent road test between two BMW's, one petrol and other an EV, on a normal run between Melbourne to Sydney the EV cost more than the petrol model and took longer.

Interesting.

And so are our cars!!

Everything is getting heavier. A friend recently told us she went to a hospital and was overwhelmed at the size and weight of beds, chairs, etc. apparently because human bodies have got considerably larger and heavier in the past 20-30 years.Which means we have got a lot fatter/!

I have no idea where the building referred to is (or rather was) but I think I can say quite confidently that It wouldn't happen here (Australia). Structural engineers work on 'worst case scenarios' and then design in extremely high safety margins. The Australian Standard for floor loadings also errs very much on the high side. Having said that, I do regard SUVs as ridiculous - to my mind, SUV stands for stupid useless vehicle.

You would have to weight a bit longer. In 1970 a car weigh around 3/4 of a ton, now in access of 2.5 ton.

Oh another thing, I think engineers nowadays work on computers instead of brain power and logistics?

So Fred Flintstone's car wouldn't cut it? Hi Andrew. 🤣 Included an emoji cos I know you love them.

If a car park has 1000 spaces for cars @ 2 tonne per car the load bearing capacity of the building is, or should be, a lot more than 2000 tonne. Even of the cars were twice as heavy the building should be able to hold them. If a multi story car park collapsed then it was badly built. It did not collapse solely because of the weight of the cars.

That's why we need engineers and people who should know how to build properly, either that or ask a Roman or Egyptian.

When ever you need a project to fail, make sure you have engeneers involved in the design and implementation.

Public transport does not always get you where you need to go if you are older....Paying for parking is expensive and the councils must be making a mint...Paying to go shopping iis a rip off when the price is high....Some workers can not afford to park for whole days either

Most of the problems come from SUV which are grossly obese and put too much load in the vehicle parking stations, EV's on the other hand are actually lighter because they lack the heavy things like Motor and drive train all they have are batteries and electric motor's. The batteries are several hundred Kilos' as opposed to weights measured in tons for the IC Engine and drive trains of SUV. The other thing to look out for are those Obese SUV's the people driving them have no idea how big that actually are and use the bump and drag method of parking bump into the side of the car beside them and then drag a corner down the length of the vehicle till they hit the car in front/behind depending on how they are parking. Things get much worse if you have a sports car because they are so short from ground to top of the roof that they can not see them and hye do heaps of damage and most times disappear before you are any the wiser and the owner of the car ids left with the repair bill. I gave up driving my 911 because everytime I parked it anywhere it was nailed by some idiot one time I had not even got past locking the drivers door when a woman hit it and broke the key in the door lock which of course by then was locked and it was the only way to open the door by pushing a key into the lock and unlocking it. Mind you it didn't actually matter because she had mashed the left hand read fender ontot he wheel and destroyed the tire which was only 1.5K but she was screaming at me because she broke the blinker lens on her Dunny Door and her Hubby was going to kill her. Back then he had just replaced the same lens and it cost him $15.00 The towing bill alone for the Porsche was close to 1 K because we had to drag it locked out of the car park and from under the lower parking area to get it onto the tilt tray tow truck and not destroy everything above the lower window line because of the height of the parking area. Even then her insurance company tried to cut the cost of the destroyed tire and wheel because the tire now had a flat spot on it from being dragged so far with the wheel unable to turn so it must have been that way prior to her hitting it. What is even better which I did not know at that time was someone spits on the ground outside that shopping centre and the lower car park floods so I probably dodged a bullet by her hitting it but if I could not park it in a yard where I was going I left it at home because so many people took pleasure into running into it while parked with the idea that they were getting even with that Rich Barsteward who owned it. It was a company car which I had in Germany for 2 years and had not put so much as a stone chip in it but when it arrived in Australia it took me 8 months to get it home without any damage. So the real problem with multi story car parks are not EV's but grossly overweight SUV's which in most cases gave grown close to the size of a WW11 Sherman Tank and weight about as much. When these parking stations where designed those overweight vehicles did not exist or were even dreamt of so that is where most of the problems come from large heavy heaps of junk that handle like a scuf in a Cyclone on dry land when they get some rain on them and the fools driving them who need that size car to take off road and the only time they actually drive it off road is when they turn into their drive ways and put them into 4 Wheel Drive because the manual tells them to always put it into 4 Wheel Drive when they go off road. Back in the old days I had one woman praise her car because she had driven it in 4 wheel drive over a wet dirt road without issue and all the other cars where sliding off the road into the ditches either side. I asked how she had no mud over her because she had to get out of the car and lock the front hubs so she had 4 wheel drive and wasn't just spinning the front diff and driving nothing at all. She just looked at me blankly and said no you push that second lever into 4WD and you drive away. Anyway most of the problems with car parks are not the car park but th epeople who drive into them I remember an Episode of Thunderbirds where some blonde was going to a new store that was a city in itself and she instead of stopping at the boom gate to get a ticket for parking accelerated and ran into parked cars which resulted in the complete destruction of the entire Shopping City. She was screaming at her hubby not to yell at her because it confused her and then at the end of the show she was driving a similar car and stopped by the police as a danger to everyone on the road. That summed up why you should avoid parking stations to me and is something I have never forgotten.

Does not affect me, do not drive

Regardless if it entails electric or conventional vehicles multi story car parks older than 10 years should be checked

Take the bus

Some of these buildings appear not to be safe but I'm not an expert. What I do know is that a lot of hospitals have these types of buildings to park your safe in when visiting and what a lot they charge. I don't know how some people afford to pay for the parking especially if you have someone in hospital for a long period of time and they need to visit every day. Money making.

I haven't used public parking garages in a long time. I don't even know how much they cost anymore.

Very interesting information.

Hope these buildings are insured. Good to know...

Well it's hard to foresee into the future and what dilemmas come about. Town planning 50 years ago was a lot different to what we need today and some of the older constructions aren't up to the building codes we have now. Some may say they were better as quality has diminished and other's would disagree. Absolutely the authorities need to do some thing about checking on this, after all isn't it their jobs to keep people safe.

Park on the top floor ,give yourself an even chance....

That's why I use public transport if I go into the city or where a car park has been built for parking. Don't need to worry then.

Nothing like a little zip around car like a RAM.

I was a Parking Attendant for years and had to deal with this problem, I don't blame the people.

Why are the "clever inventors" of these heavy monstrosities not doing the due diligence requirements regarding the strength of the outdated carparks????

Even if it means leaving home a bit earlier and being on a bus, tram, train, LRV with lots of other people and paying, say $6, or more, each way isn't that better than hopping into your car, using fuel, energy, sitting in long lines of traffic, going to a Car Park and paying, as I saw recently, $27 for the day, or having a permanent spot which also costs you, or the company, many hundreds every year? You not only have the cost of the Fuel, the Parking you also have the cost of Registration which has GST, VAT added and then, of course, there is the Cost of having the vehicle Serviced, which also attracts GST or VAT, maybe you need new Tyres? Warranty expired? Then you may also have the cost of Replacement parts. So is having to sit with a group of people you don't know really so awful, so beneath your over-rated opinion of your position in life? An added bonus is that you and all the others are, no matter in how small a way, are reducing emissions? Whether you believe Climate Change is real or not, isn't it better to pump less muck into the air by usuing Public Transport?Edited 23-Mar-24 10:12am

Transit could make alot of money if people use the system

Use public transportation

i don't go to cities unless necessary,, and when i have to, i strap on my cow methane carrier ans set out a couple anchors in case she gets to light,, but a fine discussion A, i'll bet you will draw out the flat earth edgers with this one,,, cool beans😁 EDIT: i should have read through the discussion before i posted,, now that i have, it confirms my flat earth edgers thing A,, 😁Edited 23-Mar-24 08:48am

Will ferries that takes cars need to plan for that as well? I don't want to sink either!

How about as each vehicle enters, it's automatically weighed and the parking ramp closes when its "current" safe load limit is reached. Wouldn't cost a whole lot in comparison to the alternative if the loading is exceeded.

I very rarely park in them, absolutely hate them. The only time I do is if I can't find a park outside at the hospital.

Easily fixed. Never park your car in any of these multi-storey car parks. Take public transport instead.

Just one of numerous problems with silly electric cars and on-going SUV fad. 🙁

Strong columns

In Wellington we have a parking building Lomdard that has stood the test of time build in the 60's it think or early 70's while other new car parking building has been condemned by earthquake risk. Go figure with all the new technology we have ?

Perhaps they should allow only a limited smaller number of cars into built garages to compensate for the heavier automobiles of today.

Its not right they are saying we need electric cars but I dont think we do and if so they should biuld things like cars parks that take the weight the world is fulling apart so they can make more out of us this has gone to far most of it is a money making scam that we all have to pay for

HI Ricardo J---TY

Try to catch public transport where you can and park on single out door spaces nothing built at a height is really safe units also

Come on all you people out there, join us on our motor bikes.

The whole planet is falling apart Hmmmmm what do we do?

Keep the Toorak tractors out of them. They can park off road, in the bush, where they belong.

Imagine all the infrastructure costs and tax increases to support any adjustments that can be done in some places and to-be-abandoned locations because they can't be done. Cities will become even more intolerable for taxes on this alone.

INDEED

Yes don't trust big businesses to do the right thing by the customers! We have to be wise enough to save our lives😀

dont park n them duh

Simple fix to re- engineer parking buildings to take more weight for today's vehicles then add another 25% for future proofing.

Seems like public transport is the answer…

Take the train

hi kiwi Jo

Buying a car, insurance ,tax, licence ,weather tires, gas, and more if damage , it's better to get one person to drive you to work and pay for the ride .That's what I think.

Electric cars are also damaging the roads because they are so heavy. Potholes everywhere!

ya, looks bad

Soon Jesus Christ will come back to earth, with millions of angels, and wipe out all of the wicked ones now living on the earth under Satan, the Devil's, influence! Parking garages are the Last thing people on earth should be worried about! Remember Noah? It's time to cleanse the earth once more! ;-D (Psalm chapter 37) (Matthew chapter 24) jw.org Edited 23-Mar-24 04:41am

The person that said the inspectors are not doing their jobs are spot on. I also take public transportation but for those that do drive there needs to be safety standards for the public places for ALL of us,

Wow!

there is always something

get rid of electric car's

Another reason we should slow down the conversation to electric car until the economic and consumer can handle the change

Always in America. Hopefully our concrete carparks are made better.

One, I don't drive (vision issues). Two, not my issue. Three, reads like municipal (city) civil service building inspectors ARE NOT doing their jobs! Last, we need to pump more 'money' into public transportation (long-term cheaper than building more multi-story car parks to accommodate ever increasing heavier automobiles)! Edited 23-Mar-24 01:29am

City council and mayors and such need to not just look at the lowest bid when a job like this comes up, but they need to look at the bidding companies' reputations, history on previous projects, and any other deciding factors that should go in to making the decision. It's not just a garage being built for the drivers' convenience, it's also somewhere they should be able to know their vehicle isn't going to fall through the floor and/or be crushed by the layers above. And maintenance is also key. Proper build and proper maintenance are a must. No scrimping.Edited 23-Mar-24 00:17am

Apparently it happened in Manhattan, USA but there is a concern that the old parking garages are not built for the heavier cars of today. I guess time will tell or maybe they have engineers checking and limiting the number of cars to be safe. Edited 23-Mar-24 14:05pm

Where did this happen?