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Facial Spying
2025Jul 04, 22
I just found out...that some major department stores in Australia are using Facial Recognition Technology. Apparently not many people are aware of this happening.
Privacy groups are concerned that the general public are not being informed.
What is your view on this?
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  • Great Question! However, I am a Cynic! Hence, why would facial spying surprise anyone - especially on customer(s) in a department store - are you shocked that this happens in a 'supposedly democracy? In a democracy you are constantly spy on and your rights are violate - every day (it is always about the money aka corporate greed (protection of any loss of income at the corporate level).
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    • ...and if you can find the sign outside Bunnings that says they are using facial recognition software and cameras...they will reduce it by 10%...Bunnings...where spying on you is only the beginning.....
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      • Ah now i understand your comment re our dear Zing.
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    • I go to the casino a bit and I do believe when you go in, there is someone standing at a podium that smiles at you and asks you to pull your mask down and then they smile at you to get you to smoke back and at that point there must be a camera that is taking your pic for identity purposes.
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      • I spy with my little eye, something beginning with “f”…. But my fake glasses and beard from the back of a Batman comic will keep them guessing..
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        • What are you losing. If you haven’t done anything wrong what have you lost. Sit on a bus, train ,tram ,walk down the street with CTV you are being filmed. Some day you may be glad they caught that snap of should something go bad.
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          • Watch doco about facial recognition in Britain. Usually WRONG. What Australian stores are using this?? I will boycott
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            • Not in agreement
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              • I don’t steal anything so I don’t care
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                • I think mean eve if you don't steal tracks you
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                • Kristina L 134251Mary M 329762
                  I still don’t care
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              • I think that if you are aware of this being done when you go into the store then it would be all right, but otherwise, it might well be an invasion of privacy. I believe the stores have now stopped doing it because they were advised to stop by their legal entities
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                • No they have boss of shop are watching this
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              • I guess if you’re not doing anything illegal there shouldn’t be a problem
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                • They should tell person they watch them
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              • Been out there for a while now, just starting to hear about it.
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                • Was on the news good guys are doing this in Melbourne
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              • I guess if a computer is doing it, that's one less thing for humans to try and remember. LOL
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                  • I would like to know why they are doing this and what it will be used for. Do they follow you around the store or just as you go in? Are they watching what you buy in an effort to sell you more, is it marketing or for shop lifting. It's one thing to know they are doing it but "why" is far more important. Even if they do know your face is there anyway that they know who the face belongs to? I have loads of questions before I get all upset about it.
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                    • Communism did take away human freedom
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                    • Exactly Paula J, too much paranoia going on!
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                  • If they do this I think it’s wrong but I figure if they waste their time keeping track of my movements then good luck to them, I’m not that interesting!
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                    • If followed you they follow the family and friends
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                  • My tired old face would break the internet Zing!! ha Facial Recog Technology- FART.
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                    • I think it needs a approval
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                      • No government will tell doing behind you back
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                    • Should be advised on the outside of the store that they do this.
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                      • i have nothing to hide why should i worry
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                        • Worry they go in our phone read text and gps us, compute and listen to phones called without we know its. Them will push micro chip on us
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                      • Wherever we go there’s cameras filming us. Our personal data is everywhere. You are not alone and private any more. Just get over it and live your best life. You only get one chance.
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                        • i wish we had more than one chance coz this one ain't so easy! :)
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                        • Point loss freedom
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                      • Big Brother (and little Brother) are watching..
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                        • There is no privacy anywhere due to technology. Why are you worried? Something to hide?
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                          • Why is government let do this. Are we became a communist country
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                        • If the powers that be who are using this technology have nothing to hide themselves, why do they not just tell us. With the COST OF LIVING rising so high, SO WILL THE SHOPLIFTING because at the end of the day whatever costs go up they end up being paid for out of our pockets, the consumer. How are we to survive with all that has happened in the last 2 years. Pandemic, fires, floods, more floods and NOW higher interest rates heading towards a recession. People will start losing their homes if they have one to lose in the first place. This is HELL ON EARTH. Hope the investing Baby Boomers are happy because while mortgage interest rates go up, the Banks are paying high returns on their investments, stocks and bonds. Another recession we have to have while we sit back and watch Putin decimate Ukraine. Is that a war we have to have as well. China and Russia want to rule the world under a communist rule and their people have no choice. HUH!!!!
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                          • American and China want to rule not Russia.
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                        • I am changing my hardware store to Mitre 10 in protest. They stated they will not be using this technology as a point of difference. K-mart stores are full of junk so I won't miss going there. I do like The Good Guys but there are alternatives. I honestly would not have minded if they had been upfront about it, but ...
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                          • The good guy i don't like them
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                          • Elizabeth J 447888Mary M 329762
                            Why is that Mary?
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                          • MoposMary M 329762
                            The Good Guys retail store have great brands/applicances and prices.
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                        • i dont know about this
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                          • Communism County did the same put sky every where. If you say something they dislike you be put away and be history with friends and friends.
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                        • If you are honest you have nothing to fear, it may be the thing that helps find a person if you are attacked. Has way more benefits.
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                          • I figure it is going to happen and/or has been happening for years now, so why worry. Can't stop it from happening, they'll just dig deeper trenches to hide in. When they start eroding/interfering with person liberties/freedoms, that's when I'll protest. But if they are just targeting for advertisement placings - doesn't really bother me much, I don't really take notice of ads anyways. I use cash, where I can. They are sneaky little blighters, but if you don't comply with unreasonable 'demands/requests' - because you don't have to, then I say to them, 'have at me, snowflakes!'
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                          • I don't think they for that more keep on they peoples
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                          • Mary M 329762Phyrephly
                            i agree
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                        • wear a mask at all times
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                          • they are just wasting money on us, the honest shoppers. they should use that money to lower prices...pathetic, madness... on their ideas to catch would be shoplifters
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                            • Not used that. Its sky they peoples and them they will communist did
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                          • It blows my mind that so many people don't care about this stuff. At what point are you going to want your right to privacy back? Who wants to live in a Google "smart city" where you exist as a product? Who wants products in their homes monitoring them? As soon as that Big Brother show became a hit I knew we were screwed. The ability to just be left alone shouldn't be so hard.
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                            • We lost our right to privacy decades ago, if not well before that. It does rankle, but, while they can make things difficult for you, if you don't comply, they cannot make you do anything you don't want to - yet. I know that time will come, sooner rather than later. It's kinda a game of 'pick-your-battles', and to know what's really important.
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                            • Luke W 72035Phyrephly
                              I'm not sure what you mean. They create laws most people don't fundamentally agree with all the time. People don't even seem to realize Scott Morrison was talking about smart cities and Josh was talking about cbdcs around the first bad wave of covid. Media never even questioned it. We are only just getting started with this stuff and we don't have any real say in it. Not sure why people won't look at things for what they are (not saying you here).
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                          • Why are you so surprised? We have never had any privacy since birth. We have been recorded and monitored all our lives
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                            • One of the major problems with facial recognition technologies is that the algorithms are based on Caucasian features and people of other ethnicities are less recognisable and so often endure biased consequences. I think there is too much of this technology around and it’s quite invasive
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                              • I agree, an invasion of our personal rights
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                                • I thought they were doing this earlier . Oh well it's time to not go shopping in department stores now
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                                  • sorry dont agree with what they are doing,
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                                    • Unfortunately this happens because of the criminal element. Big brother is watching no matter where you go. CCTV in town, in nightclubs everywhere. Thankyou to all crims for putting us "normal" citizens under the microscope!!
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                                      • Very very bad a disgrace
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                                        • these are the times we live in, nothing is private these days
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                                          • K Mart and Bunnings use it....there was somebody else too...if you have to shop there wear a mask!!
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                                            • We have to think of the reasons why they are doing that. Are they looking out for shoplifters and people behaving suspiciously or just spying in general?
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                                              • Smart people learn from everything and everyone, average people learn from their experiences, stupid people already have all the answers.
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                                                • Wear a medical mask and stop them being effective easy.
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                                                  • if you have nothing to hide and dont get spammmed or text from bogus pcompanies and people who knows may find all those missing people out there
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                                                    • Depends on who is looking and why
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                                                      • It shouldn't be allowed and is a breach of basic privacy. That being said I have nothing to hide and feel ambivalent. If they want to continue to use them, though, they should be signposted when you arrive in store for a start. And they should be under strict governmental control to prevent misuse of information.
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                                                        • Who says the government won't misuse it?
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                                                        • Melinda B 311794Luke W 72035
                                                          Alright, let me rephrase - if they are not going to stop using it ,(and I don't believe they will), then there should be as many checks and balances in place to try to keep people honest.
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                                                      • If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Personally I couldn't care less.
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                                                        • This has been used for close on 10 years. It's started as a way to curb shop lifting
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                                                          • Of course this spying is going on and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to stop it. All Police Forces are using it, Government Spy agencies are using it and if Governments, including State and Territory ones here in Australia are pressed they will trot out the old, oft-used and Dishonest reason that they are "protecting the People of Australia and National Security" as justification for spying on us all. If there is one thing so-called Democratic Countries - including the UK, US and Australia - have learned well from the Nazis and Communist regimes it is how to control our every move, our every thought. They don't need people to do their spying for them they have cameras, powerful microphones to record everything you say. Facial Recognition Technology is just another method. Governments and, in particular, the Police and the likes of ASIO etc. claim they use this technology to catch criminals, terrorists and they would have us believe that every second person in the street is one or other. It is called Fear Mongering.
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                                                            • As long as it is used for a valid reason and not for bombarding us with their ads, I don't mind but there does need to be some guidelines and control to ensure it isn't used for any of their devious tracking and targeting.
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                                                              • What is facial spying?
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                                                                • What do you have to fear? Wow they found out who I am, they could also find out who I am if I used my credit card or debt card. If you have nothing to hide then what is the issue? Yes it is happening and aware or not to me it means nothing. Let them because if I go missing from a shop, store, shopping centre then the authorities will be able to track my last know movements. Rapes and murders have been solved by doing exactly that. Jill Marsden in Melbourne was one solved rape and murder I can think of first up and then there was another woman in Melbourne too I just can't think of her name. It was unusual and she walked home one night from a gig and never made it home. Thanks to technology and cameras the police caught both men and got them off the streets making women safer at night. Who can argue that, that isn't a good thing??...
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                                                                  • I think part of my reservations are that they will target as specific underhand and subliminal marketing at me. I am poor enough as it is without having to contend with that!
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                                                                  • Jenny L 591463Melinda B 311794
                                                                    We are all poor here too, even though we haven't had any marketing brought up at us I am sure it can happen. I also know they do it to stop people from shop lifting things. We are out in the country so it maybe different for people in the cities also. More of a demand for it. We just don't have all that to hide from and if they do marketing on us or try and get us to buy some thing we can always say NO thank you and move on.
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                                                                • What do you think the scamdemic was about???? 1.5 metre is Militay distance so they can identify personal on patrol. so we had 2 years of 1.5 m social distrancing, which had nothing to do with the yearly flu/cv renamed covid19, but too many trained by idiotbox and stupidafona. and I guess Victorians dont know that Melbourne is a UN/WEF smart city, build back better, we have more WEF global leader running Australia>>>> Wake up people before it too late and you have been jabbed with enough junk to ??????
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                                                                  • Likely you are alive because you were jabbed with junk when you were a kid.
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                                                                • go to the airport departure/arrivals and you are on candid camera. also some sporting venues have them to check for all coming in are not banned from that venue or all games. got nothing to hide no problem
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                                                                  • I would also recommend that you have a camera on your device. ie: webcam, you cover that while not in use!!!. It's everywhere people. I do not have webcams for this reason..hell, my phone is probably doing the exact same thing..good thing I'm not a phone junkie
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                                                                    • Been doing this for years here. They actually have visible signs telling you of facial recog. in the store entrances, seems we cannot escape it
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                                                                      • They should be so lucky if anyone will still shopping Instore after this kind of carry on OR is that what they want, they've got you either way as shopping Online they have all the goods on you before they part with any of their goods, it's a pay Upfront or else! Ok back to my spinning wheel, make my or yarn or verbalise it as the case may be!!!
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                                                                        • As long as they dont sell our data I am happy for security
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                                                                          • what security? and they sell your data and have been for decades
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                                                                          • security in as shoplifters and dangerous people
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                                                                        • I think you will find facial Recognition cameras are used in more places than you think and in more ways than you think, it all goes with governments and corporations data collection that you have agreed to unknowingly, by using FB, Google, etc.
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                                                                          • I use to watch a movie topic about this, I thought everyone already know about this.
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                                                                            • It's been all over the news for weeks now, so most people should be aware. Some of the stores have taken it down as they had so many complaints.
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                                                                              • Freedom? What is that?? It's 1984.
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                                                                                • It sure feels like that. Esp if you live in a resthome and get quarantined in a tiny room no bigger than a garage for 7 days due to rotten covid.
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                                                                                • where has humanity gone?
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                                                                                • mary cIdentifyAs
                                                                                  I agree. It's fine if you have a normal size house and a bit of garden to sit out in for 7 days but if you are in a home you are literally banished in your room- worse than prison. I am absolutely dreading it for us.
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                                                                              • I don’t trust the government or big business. No one should be spying on people.
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                                                                                • tell the elites that and WEF and they now have more global young leader running Australia. THis is what happen when people believe the idiotbox, and dont verify anything. THE WEF, UN have hundreds of pages on what they had planned and how much they have implemented so far. This you will never learn on the idiot box or the propagand MSM
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                                                                              • as long as they are liable for any misuse of that information ok ,
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                                                                                • This is definitely an invasion of your privacy
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                                                                                  • I have no problem with cameras for footage to be viewed in the case of theft, but for any other reason NO
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                                                                                    • They just treat us like shit more and more saying it is for the sake of protecting us.
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                                                                                      • From reading the posts I get the feeling people are getting confused with what is happening at Bunnings and Kmart. Having cameras is TOTALLY different to having facial recognition. They are NOT the same. Just about every store you go into has cameras to help with theft etc....THIS IS NOT THE SAME as what Bunnings is doing under the guise of theft prevention. They have always had cameras. What they are doing now is completely different...it is much more like spying and what China does to it's citizens every day. They want to build a profile on your shopping etc and can match you to Bunnings, Kmart etc even without you using a Flybuys card or your credit card etc. In theory they could have a camera outside in the street and the software could match you if you were just walking past and track you activities with the next camera. Just like China. It has nothing to do with theft prevention whatsoever!! They were already monitoring their stores with cameras! It is plain and simple a data gathering exercise. I spoke to a Bunnings employee last week and he didn't even know they were doing it!! Obvious they have not even informed their employees. Why? It's only for theft monitoring isn't it?? Rubbish plain and simple. No signs around, employees not told...why the secrecy? There does need to be laws against this sort of thing before it gets out of hand. I'm going to Mitre10 or Home Hardware in future. At least The Good Guys had enough sense to withdraw from the trial.
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                                                                                        • If the monitoring is for safety- ie: to catch thieves or someone on a rampage then i'm fine with that. And to catch people who have committed a horrendous crime- one example is the guy who was caught on camera buying a large suitcase which he then brought back to his hotel and put the body of beautiful Grace Millane in- he had killed her. He then wheeled it out of the hotel nonchalantly with her in it.
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                                                                                        • Graham Amary c
                                                                                          It's got nothing to do with that. It's is simply for data gathering just like Flybuys but far more advanced. Do you really think they are doing it for the benefit of the nation???? It is creepy and they are dishonest and sneaky about what they are doing.
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                                                                                      • I feel like we became a communist country. No freedom no more. I think dasn't end that i feel they government sky on each day by our phones, internet /etc. But they are not tell us the real. That why i like vold shopping center as must i can. We needed questions this is peoples are sky on are innocent targeted from government and may be lock up nothing. If we sky on what next micro chips the peoples, takes the right have cash used each day/etc.
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                                                                                        • Does facial recognition still work if you wear ya covid 19 mask? If not then that's one way around it. I don't think it's that big a deal though because it helps with crime prevention. It's handy if people steel your stuff when shopping for example.
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                                                                                          • They already have cameras and at Kmart there is a guard who asks to see your receipt on the way out...
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                                                                                        • if you have done no wrong there is no prob
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                                                                                          • Its not that. If they a dater on you each move they will know where you go, who you with, what you wrick in life, they will listen to your each words you say, follow your move/etc.
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                                                                                          • i have no prob with that
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                                                                                        • well its a good thing but when there is two people who look the same it would be hard maybe like twins
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                                                                                          • Noone look 100% as they act and walk different
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                                                                                        • The other day I left a bag with full of vegies on the counter of a vegie shop. In about 20 minutes I went back for it. Somebody took it. The owner said we will look it back what’s happened!? He was nice, he gave me the lost vegies for free. Later on he told me they know exactly what’s happened - a woman, and he described the woman in detail, simply took the bag. A week later he told me the woman never went back to the shop. How could they know if they didn’t have a camera? I was very surprised.
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                                                                                          • What's the world coming to...
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                                                                                            • Micro chip human. The communist courty
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                                                                                            • Jania SMary M 329762
                                                                                              NOPE U have been fed the communist BS, from USA, and if there was a true Communist country is is USA
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                                                                                            • a law in Australia evenone can put you mental hospital as along ring the hospital up
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                                                                                          • Who cares.
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                                                                                            • Tell they have a book on your life, what you do, what is your wicked, your family and how you mix with
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                                                                                            • ChosenMary M 329762
                                                                                              That will give them all a laugh.
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                                                                                            • mary cChosen
                                                                                              They'd get so bored with mine they'd become comatose.
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                                                                                          • back in the 90's I was working for a big retailer and they had cameras everywhere then. the security would sit in a room and just watch people. it has been going on for years the only thing that has changed is that people are now demanding rights
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                                                                                            • I don't think they have security like no more. Its cost more money them having uncover person
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                                                                                            • I think the potential for bad is far worse now with big tech and governments seemingly doing whatever they want without a care for the citizens concerns. If you pay attention to what world "leaders", bankers and big tech guys talk about at their meetings it's pretty wild the future they envision.
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                                                                                          • They should be making the public aware by way of Notice, Beware, CCTV Camera Rolling or however they word it. .It is normal now, way of life. facial recognition technology everywhere . Three words that come to mind, with technology. " Good, Bad and Ugly
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                                                                                            • We should be made aware properly, that this is happening in store.
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                                                                                              • Couldn't care less
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                                                                                                • Invasion of privacy
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                                                                                                  • It's the world we live in these days. If people in the past and present behaved themselves it may not have happened.
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                                                                                                    • I feel sorry for the poor b*****s that have to spy on my head.
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                                                                                                      • I love it. Safety over privacy. Stores have long been watching shoppers with cameras anyway. This is just an extra step that will hopefully catch some of those crooks that the police have long been after. Let's get the riff raff off our streets and make crime harder for criminals to get away with.
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                                                                                                        • If you didn't know this information then you are naive, it has gone on for years. They can track you just about anywhere now and have done for a long time.Big Brother is alive and well. Everything you do on a computer is recorded somewhere.
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                                                                                                          • I don't know what facial spying is.
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                                                                                                            • Unfortunately Zing privacy went out long ago & now with drones there is even less of it. I still struggle with why everyone has to know about someone else's business.
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                                                                                                              • I am not surprised. How long, have we all known of CCtv in every supermarket to track illegal behaviour e.g. Shoplifting? Get real people!! Big Brother watches everybody. That;s how some crimes get solved. Not all, though. Bummer! And people still continue to wank around placing the most idiotic, illegal stunts that they have filmed of themselves on all social media. Just how moronic can one or more people Get?
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                                                                                                                • I think it is more beneficial than negative
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                                                                                                                  • for all the folks that worry about facial recognition, govt spying on you, people tracking your every move, i have one question, do you use your cell phone for weather, shopping, gps,, well then, you don't have to worry bout facial rec as anyone can track you by your cell phone, and can get into it quite easily,, it is the world we live in now, it is all about the money, everything in this world is about money,, look at even god, he is begging for money every sunday, he still has not cashed that check i wrote to him a bunch of years ago, so maybe he don't need it that bad,,, ;-))
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                                                                                                                    • Facial Spying Technology has been around for a while. The more technology advanced countries have been using it for a while. The rationale for using Facial Spying Technology is to catch criminals, spies, and other unsavory individuals (aka dissidents in society :-)). However, the name of the technology sinks that rationale. The government spies on you for "control issue" (cannot have individuals running around who might actually pull of a COUP) and major corporations use the technology to sell "info" on your buying history of items (which is big business in USA aka marketing). Question: Who actually trust major corporations and/or any government on this planet to do the "right" thing and look out for your "best interest" (HAHA)?
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                                                                                                                      • It could help catch criminals.
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                                                                                                                        • Apparently they have stopped doing this now but I wonder if that's really true. Big brother is watching everywhere. Houses, streets, hotels, clubs, bars, restaurants etc. all have cameras 24/7. Facial recognition is just the next step. I watched a movie years ago with Geraldine Chaplin in it and it was about this very same thing. They watched you everywhere, polution problems etc. basically much of what is happening today. These companies did have signs outside on their doors or side of their doors and I did see this at one of the department stores just a day before the story hit the news. I wonder how it is being used in other countries around the world. For sure we are not the only country it has been utilised.
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                                                                                                                          • Now they're trialling FRT to check off attendance records in schools. They then send the information to an app and if the parents want to be notified that their child is at school this information can be sent to them. I believe that there are 11 schools in the trial and the company trialling the technology has a waiting list of 10 schools who want in with the technology. I'm not for it myself because it's just another step towards total enslavement.
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                                                                                                                          • Linda CMichelle S 553303
                                                                                                                            Why would they need this? Is this in Australia? I remember once back in the 50's I was not at school and the police turned up to check where I was due to a child being taken. I was home of course not doing a bunk from school something I never did anyway. I think if a child has a record of missing school then a phone call would be just as efficient. Cannot see the benefit of this unless it is all done by the robots
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                                                                                                                          • To normalise it. You start with kids who grow up knowing that they'll be scanned when they arrive at school and their parents will be made aware just after this that they arrived safely and are in fact AT school. Yes, it's in Australia they are trialling it and I believe that it will be global in the foreseeable future.
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                                                                                                                          • Linda CMichelle S 553303
                                                                                                                            I hate the think what the world will be like in 50 years time.
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                                                                                                                          • Linda, there won't BE a won't in 50 years and I'm afraid we are FAR closer to the existential threat , or certainty, of our own demise than people can possibly imagine! I wish I wasn't Debbie Downer but in fact the global kill off of both humanity and the animal kingdom is well on the way. I would be happy to provide you with several book and journal titles, documentaries free to watch and interviews with individuals that have a far greater intellect and a moral compass that these lying talking heads on television and sitting in Canberra will EVER have. These people to whom I am suggesting you watch are actual scientists who WANT to improve man's lot but I can't speak of the evil these other creatures do in secret. You could also go and watch the X Files again and see how much predictive programming there is in it and the Matrix Trilogy, NOT the final one. When you SEE what is actually going on in the world you can never go back! Have a nice day.
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                                                                                                                        • Absolutely disgusted Zing, one of my fav stores too. Saw that on TV.
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                                                                                                                          • problem is it''s not illegal, difficulty is that with current technology the big end of town can match our face, gait etc to the mass of other information that they hold on everyone of us that actually buys something from their store. what I feel is that even if the practice was made public by notices in store there's not much that you can do about it, other than keep wearing facemasks when you are outside of your home, HANG ON, with the current COVID situation that's a bloody good idea.
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                                                                                                                            • What are they doing with the info? It has been around for a long time.
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                                                                                                                              • Selling it as data is the new gold! Companies are always looking for ways to get an edge over other companies and having information like where we shop, what we buy, how long did we stay there etc. Unfortunately AI is everywhere already but we actually have MORE security cameras than China and THAT'S bad news!
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                                                                                                                              • Rhonda D 522615Michelle S 553303
                                                                                                                                I agree. This is bad!
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                                                                                                                            • Not a bother to me. Surely it could only be a worry to people who are not doing the right thing or who want to be hiding from the authorities or whatever.
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                                                                                                                              • It's actually got NOTHING to do with your actions but the intent IS to keep you monitored 24/7 moving from one part of the grid to another.I would rather freedom of speech and movement and if I wanted to live in a totalitarianism state then I would have moved to China, but now China is in Australia and we are ALL in trouble the good and bad alike!
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